And Finally...

Time to Leave Sunset on the viewer...

Alas the crowdfunder did not reach it's target, it is perhaps unfortunate that the funding pitch came at a time where I have limited internet and could not make more of a song and dance about it...
But should I need too?
I had a review of previous downloads and stats over the last year from the site it had 280 thousand unique visitors, 30 million page views and consumed 3256 gigabytes of data.
The downloads of the clients varied of course but on average between 6000 to 8000 downloads were made per version. Last week sourceforge registered 217 downloads of an older client!
Looking at actual unique login statistics provided by the Lab itself we find a good 3 to 4 thousand people used the viewer on a very regular basis.

Looking at the positive side we did have a small but VERY generous bunch of funders and all things considered 28% of the target was none too shoddy, to those people I thank you Crowdfunder should be in contact with you with refunding info as I write this.
I do wonder if the 217 people who downloaded the old client last week from sourceforge ever decided to fund.. we will never know.

Anyway perhaps the biggest shame is what I consider the missed opportunity, many times groups or organisations have contacted me with requests for customised clients to suit specific needs this funding pitch would have been perfect for such an endeavour.
Or groups with a common interest or goal could have got together and collectively funded the project with the goal of adding specific features.

Enough rambling, lets tie up the loose ends and finish this.

Many many Thanks to Everyone who has supported this viewer you know who you are.
The website forums will be closed, and the site will close at the end of December.

PS. I will no longer have the time ( or inclination ) to develop anymore, on January the 1st I start a new job, and will be busy looking after my nearest and dearest.

Warmest Regards and wishing you all a wonderful Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
KL (KirstenLee Cinquetti) aka Lee :D

204 Comments

  1. Dawny - December 19, 2011 at 11:55 Reply

    Thank you all for your support!

  1. michelleleckrone - December 19, 2011 at 13:22 Reply

    All I can say is thank you for pushing the limits to all the team

  1. Cisop.Sixpence - December 19, 2011 at 13:22 Reply

    I wish you both the very best. I'm happy that Lee has a new job that will keep him busy. I am also sad that the funding did not reach its goal, but still 28% earned in such a short time with out much advertising is (IMO) very impressive. I've searched around and as of yet have not found a viewer that is stable and provides an excellent view of the 3D world as Kirstens Viewer. I suspect I will continue to run Kirsten's Viewer until it will run no more. Hoping that day is far far away.

    Hope we will still see the two of you in Second Life from time to time. Live, Love and be happy!

  1. Strawberry Singh - December 19, 2011 at 14:13 Reply

    Thank you so much Lee and Dawny. I wish you both lots of success and good health, wherever life takes you!

  1. Ian Pahute - December 19, 2011 at 14:15 Reply

    Best of luck with the future, Lee.

    And a big THANK YOU.

    Ian.

  1. maxitone haystack - December 19, 2011 at 15:08 Reply

    Best of luck to you both, and thanks sooo much for creating the best viewer by far, like others I will continue to use it till it works no more. I'm really sorry more funds could not be raised. Thank you THANK YOU. Love Maxi xx

  1. Mondy - December 19, 2011 at 15:52 Reply

    Just today I got exasperated with another well known viewer and told my friend I would have to log in on Kirstens to finish what I was doing.
    I'll use it as others will.
    All the very best to you Lee,and your partner, and not forgetting all the team who have worked on Kirstens (Jabba etc.) in the past.
    Happy Christmas and a very,very good new year !

    • Tuesdy - December 23, 2011 at 17:49 Reply

      "Just today I got exasperated with another well known viewer and told my friend I would have to log in on Kirstens to finish what I was doing."

      I wonder which was your so complex build you were working on, that can't be built with any other viewer.
      Shut the fuck up! lol

      • Wednesdy - December 24, 2011 at 19:28 Reply

        Who said anything about building, in the photography-based viewer? Take your own advice, and maybe you won't look like an idiot or an ass.

        Not very likely, though.

      • Mondy - January 02, 2012 at 9:51 Reply

        Build ? *lols* herself....scanning for any mention of building.
        Nope, none found, so thankyou for your eloquent advice. In the meantime I'll carry on using Kirstens for phography for the superior shadow settings that it STILL has above any other viewer, For building, I'm likely to use something else.

  1. Chantal Harvey - December 19, 2011 at 15:56 Reply

    Dawny and Lee,
    on a selfish note: I am flabbergasted and sad over lossing kirstens viewer like this, it always was my first choice when it came to machinima. Remember how proud I was when i got the opportunity to create the 3D machinima for you... and that s not the only reason why i want to say thanks.
    Thank you both for your warm company, it was great to meet you in Amsterdam, I feel priveleged and hope to stay in touch.

    dont wanna go to soppy - sending you hugs and speak soon?

  1. Derek Galaxy - December 19, 2011 at 16:46 Reply

    Goodbye Kirstens Viewer
    It's very hard to say it, but I guess nothing can last forever
    I knew thee well :'(
    Good luck Lee and Dawney in a prosperous and happy future.

  1. Opensimeule - December 19, 2011 at 17:07 Reply

    I admire the work you did and the end of the Kirsten viewer is a slap in the back of the SL community. The idea with the crowdfunder was great, but time was too short and too close to Xmas. You would have reached your goal by sure if you collected it in two or three parts. And here comes a last widh from a long time follower of your viewer:
    Keep the viewer alive as a second jop, maybe two or three updates per year and the crowedfunder in the background with a lower target. Could be a win - win situation for both, a great viewer for the community and a nice tip for you :-)
    Happy Xmas and merry new near Kisten

    • Cisop.Sixpence - December 19, 2011 at 17:25 Reply

      @Opensimeule - I'd like that. At least it would keep the viewer working longer in to the future, despite the updates coming less frequent. I would think that could be an option, but then again, maybe I'm just being optimistic and not wanting to close doors or burn bridges. You know, the 'Never say Never' kind of gal.

      • Syangtz - December 26, 2011 at 3:07 Reply

        I agree with Opensimeule, also if there was a way to make inworld donations as well, I bet a lot of people would do so on a frequent basis...or perhaps a small usage fee to download, or a membership fee, annual, quarter annual, monthly. For some odd reason I had a hard time donating on crowd funder the first time I logged in, and between work, school, and the holidays time got away from me. I think one of the most valuable things in life is time, in SL or RL, so thank you for all of yours.
        Suri Yangtz

  1. Tikaf Viper - December 19, 2011 at 17:22 Reply

    Well, just like Chantal, I've always used this viewer for filming, and basically everything else as well.
    I remember your coming at Machinima mondays event, and always was much thankful for the efforts you made for the macintosh commmunity.
    It's also been a pleasure translating the guide for Kirstens into French on this forum, which taught and is still teaching me so much.
    I wish you well ...

  1. Scott Lawrence (Oz Linden) - December 19, 2011 at 18:04 Reply

    Good luck with your future endeavors, and thank you again for all you've done for Second Life and the open source community.

  1. Cisop.Sixpence - December 19, 2011 at 20:09 Reply

    I'd like to add that I think the photos of Kirsten and Dawny looking into the sunset (or is it a sun rise) are very touching, and as for that "Are you sure you want to quit?" dialog box, I sooo much want to use my own mouse to click the "Don't Quit" button.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

  1. neddings - December 19, 2011 at 20:28 Reply

    A shame to hear that you're stopping with the viewer. I was hoping that you would still reach the goal before the time ran out.

    But the Kirstens Viewer will live on

  1. JoJa Dhara - December 19, 2011 at 21:43 Reply

    All we can say .. so many big hugs!!

    Wish you a great X mas and a new start of a newyear with a new life with more peace in mind to you and Dawny.

    And lets say time can tell..

  1. DD Ra - December 20, 2011 at 0:31 Reply

    I am very sad that the the crowdfunder did not reach it's target. You made so much good work for us all !
    I wish the best for you and Dawny, and say thanks again for all the nice pictures of SL I could take with your viewer.

  1. Hitomi Tiponi - December 20, 2011 at 2:12 Reply

    Congrats on the new job - thanks for everything and hopefully when circumstances permit we will see you back working some magic in SL.

  1. Niran - December 20, 2011 at 2:43 Reply

    and here we are, it finally comes to an end over 3 years of non-stop using Kirstens Viewer for machinima , videos and countless of snapshots , Kirstens Viewer goes down , a sad moment...but time runs , life continues , im proud that i could contribute to this Viewer since S18 until January 2011
    anyway...
    wish you luck in your future..

  1. Palabra - December 20, 2011 at 2:57 Reply

    Thank you and best wishes. Like many others, I'll continue to use your viewer for as long as it works.

    I'm sorry the crowdfunder pitch didn't work. Don't feel too glum, though. Your product is wonderful! You just happen to have attempted funding at an unfortunate time of year.

  1. steelsnake - December 20, 2011 at 3:53 Reply

    Good luck for your future endeavors, your new job and of course get well Dawny.

  1. Marc Seiler - December 20, 2011 at 4:24 Reply

    Sadly greed always takes over. $7k was way more then enough to "fund" a project hosted on free resources. I guess everyone has to move on to bigger, better things that pay more. Sad to see such a great project take a turn like this :( Maybe someone else will continue the project...

    • Angel - December 20, 2011 at 18:00 Reply

      I suppose you missed the part about Lee getting a new job. I guess it bypasses you that just because it doesn't perhaps cost to do something, the bills etc still add up.

      So I guess developing something that YOU get to use for free, means that Lee gets to live for free.

      Sorry Marc but it has nothing to do with greed, and you yourself I feel are very very selfish. Maybe you can continue the project then?, since it's all free resources, how about you donate your time and effort and keep the project going?

      I would say you need to put yourself in Lee's shows and walk a mile before you post any more comments. After all, for 3 years Lee did this for free for everyone else, and real life has changed things for him, but hey what do you care right, so long as you don't have to pay.

    • RL66 - January 01, 2012 at 11:50 Reply

      @marc: i guess you don't know how much cost a "free" project (as exemple irl to fund a "free" project the org i am in have used over 100 000€ for 2011)... it will be a big miss in SL, hopefully there is still henri beauchamp, and niran who still think "different" for viewer...

  1. Shiny - December 20, 2011 at 6:18 Reply

    Your contribution to virtual worlds will be missed. You brought an enthusiasm and dedication that enriched the experience of many thousands of people all over the world. On Behald of myself and our team we wish you the best, and hope to see you 'in' a world in your spare time ;)

  1. Schlick - December 20, 2011 at 7:38 Reply

    Looked like a decent viewer, but the only version I could find didn't even support mesh. All the features were pretty cool however. Almost enough to justify the Meroo spam.

  1. Xpontaneus - December 20, 2011 at 12:40 Reply

    Well, it is a little bit sad that this project have to be closed just because you couldn't reach the fund but it is nice that you have a job!. Good luck with your new task!.

  1. Andabata Thor - December 20, 2011 at 16:23 Reply

    Yes, yes, yes He-KirstenLee. You are old enough for a *real* job, I suppose.

  1. Angel - December 20, 2011 at 17:05 Reply

    Hi Lee

    I would like to say CONGRATULATIONS on the new job that is awesome news and it is right that you look after your family and I am sure working very hard in your new job.

    Thank you and the team for a wonderful viewer and it is very sad that it is coming to an end. All good things must end at some time.

    I would also like to say that Niran's Viewer is certainly looking like my next main viewer loving it so far.

    Merry Christmas and a happy new year KL, Dawny and everyone else.

  1. Vex - December 20, 2011 at 18:39 Reply

    Sorry to see the pitch fail - would have been nice to see more KV goodness... Best of luck in your new endeavors! sigh... and now I need to find another worthy pitch on crowdfunder :P

  1. Ayesha Askham - December 20, 2011 at 19:43 Reply

    Good Luck, Kirstenlee and Dawny
    I never used the viewer but I saw what some folk had done with it. I'm just sorry that ther weren't more of us that COULD afford to support your work that just didn't.
    Either way, I hope 2012 brightens for you both.

  1. Gamer Girls Radio - December 21, 2011 at 7:49 Reply

    We did as much as we could to get the word out. In my estimation you all needed the help of a good publicist and perhaps some other things could have been done.

    Only realized today there were several things not tried, with your stats alone you could have probably gotten some funding via several other outlets. If you all SHOULD happen to come back and decide not to cancel the project, let us know. We LOVED the viewer and use it often. One of the most stable, non lagging viewers we've used.

    We do hope to see you around again and that we can help

    -Gamer Girls Radio

  1. JayR Cela - December 22, 2011 at 14:32 Reply

    Hi there Kirsten, I am so happy to hear that you have found a new job, and I sincerely hope your partner is able to recover from the unfortunate illness. Best Yuletide Wish's to you both, and may 2012 be your best year yet ever.

    *Bigg Huggs*

    JayR Cela

  1. phloughi tizzy - December 23, 2011 at 4:18 Reply

    We had a chance to make it happen and missed an opportunity to keep it alive. We failed you. You have given so much so long for so little.

    I hope the real world treats you as well as you have us for so long :)

  1. Paul Rudman - December 23, 2011 at 11:09 Reply

    Really sorry to hear of your trials. I pray for unexpected help and good fortune for you both. Your work has brought joy to many people, thank you. Just one suggestion; please leave a big Download button on the website for the most recent Kirstens viewer. Yes, it will age and fade in usefulness, but it will be a lagacy of the great work done and will remain useful for a surprising while. Best wishes, Paul

  1. Tony Stark - December 23, 2011 at 17:27 Reply

    Are you sure you want to quit?
    Yes, I am sure I want to quit.
    /me also flags 'Don't show this again'

    It was a nice plan. Best wishes, KL. ;)

  1. Jennifer Boyle - December 25, 2011 at 3:33 Reply

    I thank you so much for what you have done. I am so sorry that the Crowdfunder effort was unsuccessful, particularly when I think of how little it would have taken from each user to have made it successful.

    I wish you both the very best, and I will aleays remember you with affection and respect.

  1. Ibayn Kyomoon - December 26, 2011 at 22:12 Reply

    Lee, thank you for making one of the best viewers out there for so long. I hope the love of your life gets well soon. You will be remembered as one of the cutting edge.

  1. medhue - December 28, 2011 at 7:46 Reply

    Thanks Kirsten, for all the great viewers! LL should've hired you to lead the SL viewer development. I'm gonna miss being on the bleeding edge.

  1. Bud Parnall - December 29, 2011 at 3:58 Reply

    Best wishes for health in your family and success with your new ventures. The true gift of a human to another is to enrich and enable their lives.

    You have done that to this one! Sorry the pitch did not work. Now on to your next life work!

  1. Cisop.Sixpence - January 01, 2012 at 7:08 Reply

    Just wanted to be the first in here to say in the new year... "Happy New Year!". :)

  1. Matheus - January 02, 2012 at 17:14 Reply

    Thanks Kirsten,

    Your viewer was the most amazing I ever used...
    Sad to hear about you quitting development....

    Until when the website will be running?

    I wish you and your family the best, and happy new year...

    - Matheus

  1. animorf Kawadias - January 06, 2012 at 5:16 Reply

    You possible will never, know the impact you made on many of us whom are now becoming SL elders. and how much you helped many of us remain in SL, and learn to love the V2 based Viewers. but i do feel compelled to tell you, that your V2 style viewer helped me in so many ways to learn to love the V2 style viewer. I fell in love with it so much, that had it actually been a viewer with RLVa and all the whistles and bells it has. That i would have never gone over to the Firestorm Viewer that the Phoenix team makes. Nor would i have become a Beta Tester for the Phoenix team. So i am deeply saddened that you will do no more support work for your SL viewer, as it is such a work of art that i still log in on it, from time to time just to gaze at its beauty.

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