To be... or not to be?

To be or not to be?

Many of you have asked and wondered what the future would hold for the Viewer, well here is the answer..

After lots and lots of thought and quite a bit of behind the scenes activity we are going to go Crowdfunder!

The upshot of the whole deal is this, a target has been set to fund the entire project and it's continued development for a period of one whole year. What happens remains to be seen, I can however reveal a few details of what does happen if we hit the target, and more critically what can occur if we exceed the funding target. If we seal the deal, almost instantly the binaries will become available for download the project will become active again and an updated and early build of S22 will become live.

Features that were shelved such as programmable camera positions, enhanced photo making features and radical changes to the user interface will start to come live, enhancements in the area of post processing and 3D vision are also on the schedule. Exclusive areas for funders will appear within the website for feature votes and preview access to unique builds of the client.

Perhaps the most exciting aspect of this is IF the funding target is exceeded, this will enable the project to license things such as KDU or even fund other developers to enhance the clients feature list faster and make the viewer even more appealing.

Building of the binaries will occur on very regular intervals with equal effort being placed both on windows,apple and linux the project will become full steam ahead.

I honestly don't know how this will all turn out which is quite fun! However if the funder bombs everyone gets a refund so that's a comforting thought, of course I would rather think about FmodEX, or 64bit clients, text to speech or any of a hundred other ideas knocking about in my head :)

Only time will tell... 60days to be exact!

PS. Many thanks to Jabba, Joja ,Draxtor, Hamlet, Strawberry, Bryn , Robustus , Chantal, Toxic, Phaylen and many others for the support and kind words of encouragement.

PPS. Finally Dawny who's belief in me despite her own troubles has been unwavering.

Lets Make this thing happen eh?

Lots of Love, KL


Oh and if you missed the link for Crowdfunder here it is: LINK


  1. Thereaver Barrymore - October 17, 2011 at 20:30 Reply

    Great news! Well at least I see it as good news. Your work is too big to be stopped and I am sure that the decision to use a fund for assisting those involved in the project, is a great idea. I loved 'listen and hear' you, Lee. Thanks for the news and wish every success in this new step.

  1. Cisop.Sixpence - October 17, 2011 at 21:59 Reply

    I see this as great news too. I just put some money in the CrowdFunder account for this. Hope every one who can pitch in does so and the goal is reached before the deadline. ツ

  1. spyvpsyaeon - October 17, 2011 at 23:33 Reply

    Great news, :)

  1. michelleleckrone - October 18, 2011 at 0:55 Reply

    I think this is a worthy cause let's make this happen I have ;)

  1. Lucifera - October 18, 2011 at 3:00 Reply

    you just want money and i can be deleted but i'm posting this on my blog anyway. This viewer was good but it also didn't allow you to turn off things. Better than those account hacking phoenix people at least.

  1. scrappypatricie - October 18, 2011 at 5:21 Reply

    I just found this on Strawberry's blog, I will be digging deep an making a deposit as well!

  1. maxitone haystack - October 18, 2011 at 11:52 Reply

    Brilliant news, found it on Strawberry's blog too. Lets all give support, I have given something

  1. Mushishikin - October 18, 2011 at 13:49 Reply

    This is the viewer for me.Maybe because i run osx 10.5.7 but i can only rum SL2 and Kirstens... So.... its a no brainer. The SL TVs don't work but i don't give a hoot. The SL mesh doesn't work... but it is still so very rare it doesn't matter yet. Its just a faster boot/faster shut down/pie menus/better menus over all/i still miss the pheonix radar.hehe.

  1. Bud Parnall - October 18, 2011 at 14:18 Reply

    I hope this works!!
    Voted with my wallet!

    Linden Labs could really make points with a nice donation! Your viewer works. Enough said! Thanks for hanging in there with the project Lee!

  1. Bibuccia - October 18, 2011 at 17:00 Reply

    I am not understanding a thing.i have often used k viewer,that is very good,but it seems like if now we have to purchase an open source viewer to can download it and to can use it. I don't think it is correct and that doesn't seem a good idea and news. We have to pay attention to all GNU ,GPL licences and other ones and to the ways we use to cheat them.

    • Cisop.Sixpence - October 18, 2011 at 18:10 Reply

      @Bibuccia - The viewer is not for purchase. The funding that is being asked for is to pay for future development of Kirsten's Viewer. If the funding goal is met, the viewer would once again be available for download, and future versions of it would be made. Without funding, there are no downloads, and no future versions or updates. Funding does not buy you the viewer.

      • deihihiho - November 20, 2011 at 23:19 Reply

        Cisop, seems that you take care 'too' much to answer here, and to throw money, but watching your pic seems that your don't care so much of your avatar. This forum keeps making me smile ;)

        • Cisop.Sixpence - November 21, 2011 at 0:39 Reply

          deihihiho, I'm glad that the forum keeps making you smile. :)

  1. slaver0110 - October 18, 2011 at 17:11 Reply

    I'm in. Anything to keep what is simply the best SL viewer in development. My donation is on the way. Thanx Kirsten!

  1. Vex - October 18, 2011 at 18:04 Reply

    Excellent! My funding sent.

    @Bibuccia There are no GPL implications in hiring someone to develop software.

  1. Angel - October 18, 2011 at 18:29 Reply

    My only question would be, since I unfortunately (and not without a wish that I could) have no available funds to give to the KV even though I think it is without a doubt the best viewer around. So even though I understand the funding is for development and the viewer itself would be available for download, does it mean that unless your a funder you would miss out on certain features? or that no beta's would be available for us to test?

    I love the idea by the way and have no wish or desire to be negative, I just hope that no-one in the position of wanting to help and fund but don't have the means are missing out on features within the viewer itself.

    best wishes and I hope with fingers crossed that this works.

    Good luck Lee and the team and also my wishes the Dawny gets well soon.

    • Cisop.Sixpence - October 18, 2011 at 19:27 Reply

      @Angel - I don't think you would be missing out on any features if you are not able to help fund the development. As for beta testing, I see a funding level for just £10 that does give you early access to the viewer, but I don't know if this would exclude you from being a beta tester, as the more beta testers there are, the quicker bugs can be found and eliminated. You can see the reward levels and the video that Lee made at

  1. nok - October 18, 2011 at 21:01 Reply

    Great news and good luck, I've been missing your excellent viewer! I've thrown some lucre you way.

  1. Steve72 - October 19, 2011 at 18:40 Reply

    I also think this idea to fund money is a masked way to sell an open software which,just because it's open source,cannot be sold even if the good optimization Kirsten can do. I think Linden Lab could not apreciate it. LL removed third party viewers for much less,so I think that we risk to pay for a viewer that will have short life.Besides it,as it happened with Emerald,many users could be banned only because they use it. So the moral is: we pay for a project that Linden cannot allow and who uses this viewer risks the ban.I don't take part to this project but I wish all the best.

    • Cisop.Sixpence - October 19, 2011 at 20:17 Reply

      @Steve72 - As mentioned before, these are two separate things, unrelated. If the funding reaches its goal, the viewer would be made available as before and it would get the updates it needs. In fact the source is still available at

      • Lybra - October 21, 2011 at 15:57 Reply

        Free, period! He can't? -Then he better stop it now!

        What you saying having nonsense.
        Free means free, donations means donations and to ask about funding a project means to FUND for a project!
        And that project has and a price.

        Needs some common sense.
        What is so difficult to understand there?

        As for the source, is outdated. The funding proccess talks about new stuff that will embedded.

        Pay to get! The new moto from Kirsten's Lee Viewer.
        I wouldn't fund a penny for something that will not be mine by means no proffit from it!

        Bye Kirsten's viewer.

      • deihihiho - November 20, 2011 at 23:23 Reply

        Cisop, you are discovering the warm water. It MUST be on sourceforge or somewhere else available, because closed source is not allowed to be ToS compliant

        • RL66 - December 14, 2011 at 19:59 Reply

          well... the source of KL's work is on it... and is still free to use it, mod it etc etc... so it's ToS compliant.

  1. LilaQ - October 19, 2011 at 22:02 Reply

    I was ecstatic when I heard this news! Although, I would like to donate a lot more in one lump sum, I could only donate a small amount to start. I will be donating much more throughout the next 59 days. I rely heavily on this viewer, so it is the very least I can do.I wish you the best luck and hope this goal can be met. Not to mention, I am really excited to see this new viewer ^^

  1. Miguael Liamano - October 21, 2011 at 4:48 Reply

    Unfortunately, only next month will I be able to Wallet-Vote, but I will do so. I really think that Kirsten's Viewer Is the best viewer around. I'm using firestorm right now (because it sadly is the only mesh-compatible viewer on that wants to run fast enough on my box, since I lost the last S21 binaries I had) but I must say thet S21 is largely superior. When I boot windows, I use nirans viewer, which is kind-of the last running S21-based viewer that I know about. I really want Kirsten's Viewer back and I encourage everyone that can to give a few dollards (I don't know how many KV users we have, but if everyone gives 5$ this makes a LOT of money.). I plan giving at least 20 CAD (18-ish USD) because I'm short on money lately, but i'd give 300$ if I had it.

  1. Lybra - October 21, 2011 at 15:22 Reply

    To NOT be! Take what I'm saying seriously!
    There is no space for people like you.

    The reason why is just simple!

    SL is FREE!!! Free! Do you understand that dear? SL official viewer is free and as long as you will be using L.L binaries you DO NOT have the right to ask money with this way!

    You can't continue it? Then do not do! Simple stuff. I think you drunk enough beer, Lee!
    You removed the downloads and all, why? There's should be a reason for that, hmm?

    Guys don't be silly and pay for what you can get for free!
    Oh and Oh my God Lee, I saw your video, you seem confused and a liar to my eyes.
    Also by the way you mentioned in the video that your hardware is not the BEST in the world but let me remind you dear that before some months you bought a totally new hardware, ATI this time and you were thankful to everyone who donated you and made this happen!!

    You are such a liar.

    You waited a month by removing the viewer and you posted about health problems and so on so to make people miss the viewer and to play with emotions.
    Now you coming and you asking money when YOU said that you have to go out this time and bring the bread to the house. THEN DO! Get up and go and do THAT!
    But don't steal money from people pockets with such a way.

    Bye for now and good luck.

    • steelsnake - October 21, 2011 at 17:44 Reply

      No one forces you to donate. Btw, if the concept of funding free software is new to you, that's ok. Bounties for open source and free software have been around forever.

      This is pretty much the same thing. Don't like it? Don't donate. If the viewer goes live again you can reap the benefits nonetheless and use the viewer for free.

      Simple really.

      • Lybra - October 21, 2011 at 19:11 Reply

        No I do not like and I won't FUND (Do not swap words) . I'm adult enough to know the definition of the words and the difference between buying a coder and donating a coder.
        Thanks for the link though, I learned something new today:)

    • Inyu - October 21, 2011 at 17:50 Reply

      Hey, Lybra, what have you contributed lately?

      First of all, do you have any idea how much time Lee has put into this project? Nobody is telling you to pay a dime, but others see the value in pouring countless hours into a brilliant TPV. Maybe you can live off of love and adulation, without needing money to take care of yourself and others, but you're saying that Lee should do the same.

      Simple math, really, Lybra... Lee needs funding, or he doesn't eat or take care of his family. This viewer takes time. Lots of it. Either he gets paid by a RL job at the expense of not being able to work on this KV, or he gets paid for his continued work on the viewer.

      Of course, you probably feel entitled to get everything for free, and care nothing for others that don't kiss your ass. You are more than welcome to go elsewhere for your viewer needs, while you continue to leech off of the SL community. But how dare you come in here and piss on this party, insulting Lee and anyone who deems his work to be valuable.

      • Lybra - October 21, 2011 at 19:06 Reply

        I dare to come and piss because I have the right to. I have my own opinion as anyone else does. I'm not leeching off the SL community and I am an active player for about 5 years and a content creator. I have been using Kirsten's Viewer and it was my FAV. I don't feel the need someone to kiss my ass but after all these conclussions you came up for me... well then you can come and kiss it if you please.

        Now to the point as I wipped your meaningless insults off the way.

        Look, I never said for Lee to not care his family, of course he must and that is what I'm pointing out here. If he wants money and he has that knowledge he can go and grab a job, simple. The fact that you can download any viewer for free (because the game IT IS FREE -for those who want to have a free leeching as you say!-) then the viewer should be free!

        Also I know the time that takes to do a viewer (have tried that too) for Gods sake.
        What I hate in the whole fairytale here is the price that someone somehow getting threatened emotionaly that if not pay he will loose his FAV viewer and if he pays then Hail to you, you will have access to Beta's and so forth.

        That insults my mentality, understand? Many people making viewers, many people spending their real lifes valuable time without asking nothing!

        For so long he was asking donations, that Donate button you know? Good!
        So as long the status says "Donate" I'm ok with it!
        But as long as it says "Fund!" Then is a no no for me... I repeat that... "For ME"

        I don't care what you doing and if you love and initimate with this viewer and you wanna have kids with it but for "me" again is Just a viewer.

        And I am using an other viewer already, wasn't necessary to point me the Exit.
        Thanks anyways for your kindness to do so.

        Do you understand that he said in his video....

        "When and if the the funds reach the Goal you getting me and an extra year of development."

        So please tell me, from that phrase don't you understand that you buying and not donating?
        Hello? If he wants he can go and say the same to L.L and hire him! Afterall he uses the 90 if not the 95% of SL code!

        Anyhow, I came here to open to some people their eyes
        but I can't do a thing when people see my words as an insult and most of all? All I said I said them to Lee! I would appreciate a reply from him and not from supporters and wanna be lowyers of some kind.

        With love to you but with anger to your words.


        • Cisop.Sixpence - October 21, 2011 at 20:18 Reply

          Hi lybRa - Sorry if we are not able to make this clear. We can't expect everyone to jump on the band wagon. You are right in that this is not the typical "donation". However, it is not paying for the software, that is still free, it is open source. You can grab a copy of the source and fork it which ever way you want your self. The Funding is paying for the services and time of the developer to make future modifications to the software. Unlike a donation, if the funding level is not reached, the money is returned to those who offered it. Unlike software you pay for, the source software remains free for downloading and use. Those who are funding this understand that they are not buying the software, they are funding the developer, and if the funding goal is met people will be able to download the executable files again as well, regardless of them having funded the developer or not, just like some previously donated L$ or actual money before but it wasn't a requirement to use the software. As mentioned before, the only difference is without funding the developer, new versions can not be created, and if the funding goal is not made everyone gets their money back.

          I think the rest of us who have tried to explain this have done a fair job with our attempts, although I'm sure you'll understand if we get a little stressed as we appear to find individuals who still see things differently. If we can't agree on what is being funded, at least we seem to agree that we can't come to an agreement. :)

          I apologize if in our defense of our opinion we have caused feelings to be hurt. Your opinion is valuable even if it tends to clash with ours. I can't and don't pretend to speak for Lee so I'll leave it at that.

          Wishing you the best and sorry if in our desire to support the viewer or the developer, some toes were stepped on.

          Cisop Sixpence

          • FunnyEnough - November 20, 2011 at 22:46 Reply

            "the source software remains free for downloading and use." That's why all downloads links of previous Kirstens builds have been removed? lol

            • rl66 - December 14, 2011 at 20:23 Reply

              as i said already source of this viewer is still online right now dec 14 2011, only the executable and installer are not... want to use it? learn how to compile source first (there is a nice "how to do it" on Linden Lab wiki and on CoolVL site btw). Older source is useless as deprecated

          • deihihiho - November 20, 2011 at 23:26 Reply

            "Unlike software you pay for, the source software remains free for downloading and use." LMAO. Thanks, the open source (of a derivate work of an open source code by LL) MUST remain free, just to avoid ToS issues ;)

        • Steffi Honi - November 10, 2011 at 19:28 Reply

          I speak for myself and I'm sure many others when I say a big "thank you!" to Lee and all the others that have contributed code without expecting anything in return.
          We understand that RL comes with priorities and responsibilities, and that projects like this need money in order to buy time to work on it.
          No sane person here thinks that you have engaged in emotional extortion. That's just silly. You have shared a bit of your RL with us to explain why you have halted work. It's completely understandable. Don't listen to those who accuse you of terrible things. We know how much effort and time and energy you put into this, and it shows.
          As a Linux user, I can say that you paved the way to fixing the sound problems that plagued the LL viewer, and for that I'm grateful. That was a long-standing bug that got fixed.
          I can only say for myself that I regret not being able to offer money at this time, having my own RL responsibilities. I wish I could.
          You and others didn't just fix bugs, you created a whole new set of advanced features and focused on the appearance of the viewer. What was achieved was stunning, and surpassed LL in many ways.
          Lee, et al, thank you. I hope sincerely that you are able to continue your project. You have made a wonderful viewer this is unlike any other in SL. All the best.

    • rl66 - December 14, 2011 at 20:16 Reply

      @lybra: Since when SL is free? LL earn money with it and with it make server work, pay dev team and employer that keep SL alive and most of all make benefit :D SL is free to use but certainly not in the way you present it. About free organisation, open dev, nearly all have fund solution to make it alive (i work irl as accountant for a free organisation). KL viewer is on the way to become the same... you are free to give as you are free to don't give... up to you, but at the end whenever you have given or not you will be able to use the viewer. so saying "free mean free" and try to put this viewer in the mud is totally sterile word.

  1. Mikey Batriani - October 21, 2011 at 21:25 Reply

    Kirstens Viewer, in my opinion, represents above and beyond what anyone could expect from their Second Life viewing experience. I had strongly relied upon it in my SL profession as a model, photographer, stylist and furthermore, as a Mac user.

    With the release of Mac OS X Lion in July 2011, Linden Labs have shown little or no support for the latest operating systems for which all new Apple branded computers ship with. This means essentially, that anyone who has purchased an Apple branded computer following the release of Lion 10.7 will endure a less then desirable and sub-standard experience. There are little signs of progress that LL will hallmark all Lion 10.7 has to offer, including the upgraded OpenGL 3.2 capability.

    KV has continually performed and exceeded the boundaries for all platforms and I have complete faith that a future release will provide all that I have hoped for as a Mac user.

    I will certainly help fund this ambitious project and I wish KirstenLee and partner Dawny the very best of luck, happiness and good health.


    Mikey Batriani

  1. x0r - October 22, 2011 at 15:54 Reply

    25 000 quid to reach the goal and release another version of a viewer that consists of 98% linden codebase 1% third-party patches and 1% real work to modify the UI?

    Sweet, I'm in the wrong operative branch.

  1. LilaQs - October 23, 2011 at 21:52 Reply

    One question! I am in full support of funding this endeavor. Kirstens Viewer is by far the best viewer for photography and I heavily rely on it. However, why did the previous installers need to be removed? Yes, there was source code left, but many of us are not programmers, including myself, and are clueless in regard to compiling such data into a workable download. I just think it would be in good faith to add these previous versions to the site again, since their is so much support. And especially since the funding is going towards a new and improved viewer. This is the only issue that makes me feel a bit uneasy and if anyone can share their opinions or views, pls do....

    • Cisop.Sixpence - October 23, 2011 at 23:11 Reply

      @LilaQs - While I can't say what Lee's exact reason for removing the installers was, I would speculate that he did so, because he would no longer be able to have time to support those versions and with the rapid changes that Linden Labs was making with their original code, the Kirsten Viewer would quickly become outdated. In fact if their was a problem discovered with the original code as had happened with the Linden source for S21 Build 7 (that is why S21 Build 7a was created) and previous builds it would mean that potentially bad software that is not being maintained would be downloaded. Again, this is just my opinion. Others may have more informed ideas about this. Maybe even Kirsten can correct me on this if I'm wrong. As for me I kept several of the previous Windows installers, so I'm not in a pinch if I need to reinstall.

    • Steffi Honi - November 11, 2011 at 19:44 Reply

      @LilaQs -- you wrote:
      "I just think it would be in good faith to add these previous versions to the site again, since their is so much support"

      Good faith? No, bad judgement.
      Support? From whom?
      Not from the devs there isn't. Not without the time necessary to do it.

      Lee ran into a RL situation that demanded his time. It's that simple.
      Why is this so hard to understand? We all have RL responsibilities.
      He could have just shelved the project permanently.
      Instead he looked for funding which had a sane model to it, and kudos to him for doing so.
      The only people who are able to make changes are devs who know what they're doing and can compile successfully.
      You could be a dev if you so chose to.
      It's not that hard.. oh wait.. yes it is. Not everyone can code.

      Since those devs have other things going on in their lives that require their time and attention, it's either fund the project with donations, or let it die, and Lee chose the former. We should be grateful, not resentful.
      This means that support is *not* there until the funding is there to provide the time to work on it. Leaving the binaries there means that Lee is obligated to support that code, and he can't in good conscience.

      Leaving the binaries out there means:
      1. Having to take time to support it, which is not there at the moment.
      2. Ensuring that old code will never die and that users will complain loudly about things not getting fixed, putting more demands on the time of the devs who don't have that time currently to give.
      3. Making it harder to move on to new code once the project is restarted because of a backlog of bug fix requests from users.
      4. Taking time away from RL responsibilities to support outdated code.

      Don't like it? That's the reality of it. Coding takes a LOT of time, and fixing bugs takes even more time. This was a project that was done for free, and Lee can no longer take the time unless he is freed up to do so through generosity. He has never demanded anything of anyone, and I think it selfish of those who frown upon the binaries being removed. It's standard procedure. Ask anyone who codes. If you can't support the code, then it's reckless to leave it out there as if you can. It's deceptive.

      Those of you who are motivated to continue with Kirsten's Viewer are free to do so. Don't be lazy, just spend your *own* time. Download the source which is still available and compile it yourself, and fix any bugs that you find and report back to us, and then we can complain that you didn't do it the way that we wanted you to, and we won't give you a dime, only our constant criticism. ; -)
      Meanwhile, feel free to report bugs to the "support team", which is you.

      Be grateful. Lee gave us a gift. For that gift to move forward, things have to change.

  1. RL66 - October 24, 2011 at 0:53 Reply

    Well... i think it is a nice idea KL... @everyone that didn't like the idea to "pay"... think that Imprudence team, and Phoenix team have already raised fund as KL does... you give $ in order to make it possible, not for the program in itself, that remain free. And about removing the instaler and removing from the TPV list is it because the project was ended (everyone does like that btw), now it's up to us to make it alive again :D

  1. Steve - October 24, 2011 at 17:44 Reply

    I posted some dys ago talking about my doubts and i noticed that i am not the one. I read lot of times the several posts and i am conviced this action is a failure,i don't know how much honestly.The last available version (the removed one) had some problems. When you try to go into SIM which h ave meshes, you got crash,besides it sounds did not work and i remember problems with notecard attachments.When Kirsten removed the code and wrote about his problems,,i believed he did not watt to go on and removed it to not leale an incomplete work.Today i am conviced that code was removed to create,like lybra said,an emotive state in his fan s that,how donations shows,are ready to pay to h ave back their viewer.In the last weeks Kirsten told to h ave already a ready product (that twill be released

    • Angel - October 25, 2011 at 12:29 Reply

      No offence intended here, but you make out that KL has been doing it for free all this time and now "suddenly" is ready to be paid? Obviously you have little idea of what has gone on, and totally misunderstand.

      Firstly the reason KL stopped was because Dawny is very ill as per previous forum posts, secondly for all the time that the viewer has been around only donations have been asked thus you if you are using it have gotten it for NOTHING.

      The viewer itself as stated over and over again is remaining FREE. No-one is forcing you to give any money to fund the development of the viewer, and since the viewer is freely available LL cannot block it, the funding has NOTHING to do with viewer, only it''s development.

      As with others that are complaining about it, there is some FACTS! that you should looking to:-

      1) The viewer is FREE, you don't have to pay towards it, you don't have to give any money what-so-ever and you still get to use it.

      2) The funding is for development of, not FOR the viewer itself

      So, if you don't want to give anything you don't have to. If you don't like it just think on how long you have been using a free viewer and then go use another viewer.

      No-one here is forced to use this viewer, most other TPV have donations which fund the development of their viewer. Again I seem to think that this is something some people just don't get.

      You don't have to fund this viewer, you don't have to pay for it and you get to use it for free, yet here you are bitching about it because the people that worked on mainly for free with people donating suddenly has a RL situation that forces them to prioritize things.

      So to Steven and Lybra especially who are slandering and making out that this is some sort of ruse to get money out of people, if you don't like it, don't use it.

      Also Steve your comments about KL removing code on purpose, if that is the case and your so clever, you make a tpv.

      Forgive the wall of text but I am rather annoyed that people who are using a FREE product are bitching about something that they don't even need ton contribute towards.

      KL and your team I wish I could contribute but I don't have the means, and I hope that you reach the goal to give a whole year of development on what I think is the best viewer going.

      To those of you who don't want to "pay" and are somehow believing you have to, please shut up and go use another viewer. KL and the team need support, not your conspiracy theories and general slander of them after the viewer you like so much was taken away.

      • Cisop.Sixpence - October 25, 2011 at 14:08 Reply

        @Angel - You have spoken most eloquently and said the things that I hesitated and bit my tongue on. I shall dig through my purse and throw some more money in the fund on your behalf.

        /Cisop Sixpence curtseys to an Angel./ ツ

        • Angel - October 25, 2011 at 14:54 Reply

          Thank you Cisop

          I appreciate that very much, and I am not wishing to start any flame wars either, I hope my words have simply put things in perspective for a lot of people.

          After all with all the changes LL are currently making development will be I would assume quite difficult and I believe in a sense of community, and that the viewer which most of us love, should continue.

  1. Steve - October 24, 2011 at 18:02 Reply

    only if paid). What did it changed from the remotion of code until to now?according to me Kirsten continue to work on it for free to make it better and maybe to' remove the bugs of the previous he is ready to be paid. How lybra wrote the most of code is by Linden Lab.Besides to seem a bad action,i see it it is known Linden Lab observes with attention all the third party viewers because they could have something of interesting and it is the same for will not ignored this funding by LL,even if so well masked.So I am sure that it twill block it. Many viewers were blocked for much less. so here what i think:there is a guy who has already developed a product,but he wants to get 25000£ and Linden Lab could block it and ban its users.
    About Opensim I don't believe that there Are users who would pay for a viewer since in Opensim all is free.
    I would suggest to Cisop to not talk in place of Kirsten this time,because i wait for a reply f rom him,only if you Are the same person, but it is affair of mine.

    • Steffi Honi - November 11, 2011 at 20:10 Reply

      Steve wrote:
      "How lybra wrote the most of code is by Linden Lab."

      And since you know nothing about coding, you know this.. how exactly?"

      Ppfffft. You have no idea how much code belongs to whom. Get real.
      You've been leaching and not helping, and you're just buggin' because you're too lazy to compile the source code yourself, and too poor or too selfish to help out.

      BTW, "Steve", you have the same bad grammar, spelling and punctuation as Lybra, and I suspect that you are one and the same person, trying to appear as though you are more than one. You have given yourself away.
      No one is asking you to pay a dime. Since you didn't contribute, you don't have a say in what Lee et. al, do with the code that they created.
      You don't get to whine.

      Also, LL's code is open source, which means that anyone who wishes can use that code to create their own code. Are you listening Steve Lybra?
      It also means that the code itself should remain open, which is why Lee cannot charge for it. He can charge *all he wants* for his time, however, and that he has not done so previously is a mystery. He has been kind and asked nicely for donations, which haven't been near enough obviously. Most of you are not contributing anything and yet some want to whine about that. Tough.

      Steve Lybra, Since you don't understand or agree with charging for your time, it's clear that you don't know a thing about writing software, and that you just want something for free. Feel free to move on to any other software. Use LL's crappy viewer if you choose. No one is stopping you.

      Or stop being lazy and write your own code. Go on, we can't wait to criticize it into the ground as you have done. We'll call it "Steve Lybra's buggy, crappy non-compiling third party ripoff of Kirsten Lee's code, without respect or atribution". We'll mock you. It'll be a good time.

      If you ever do manage to compile your own (which I doubt, since you can't put a sentence together properly), I will be the first to rip you a new one with my bug reports about the numerous seg faults, crashes and memory corruptions, and oh yes, data loss. If you don't include a disclaimer, I will sue you for the lost data and win damages. I will make sure that everyone knows what a failure you are at providing a time consuming service for nothing, and I will remind everyone that, had they only helped to support Lee and the others, none of this would have happened, and that people like you are the problem.

      Lee, and all those that have contributed to KV:
      I, for one, am grateful for your hard work. I hope that it continues.
      I will still offer my services as beta tester for Fedora Linux 32 bit as my way of contributing to the project. I wish you all the best and thank you for your efforts.

  1. FishNChips - October 25, 2011 at 1:33 Reply

    Oh, I never realised you were a man, another illusion shattered. :|

    • Cisop.Sixpence - October 25, 2011 at 3:19 Reply

      I know what you're thinking, Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill? Well anyway, welcome to the Matrix. It's best to approach things with an open mind. ツ

  1. Shiny - October 25, 2011 at 3:54 Reply

    All of us from the team @ 3DX are rooting for you KLee hope it all goes well!

  1. RL66 - October 25, 2011 at 20:36 Reply

    @steve -LL mostly never ban for nothing if by ban it's users you think about the story of Emerald, Nano, Meerkat etc etc users it was for using viewer tag spoofing, texture grabbing, inventory exporting etc etc -the kirstens viewer source is still online, as said on previous blog... (but have you read it?) -KL demand the £ in order to work full time on the viewer, not for the viewer in itself (from a pleasure coding it will become a real job). -don't forget that imprudence on linux was only possible due to fund given by users who have made the buy of a fully equiped PC to compile imprudence on it. -And most important thing: YOU ARE FREE TO GIVE OR NOT, if you don't give at the end you could use the viewer too :D , you just cannot whine at KL that he don't work as fast as you want during the dev part of it (lol). -i think all is said on previous blogs or comments, anything else will be trolling @cisop O-o ... i have taken the blue striped purple spotty red one with sparking powder in it that make it not tasting good but fun to eat so at the end it is tasting good... =^.^= this is maybe for that i like grid(s)

    • Cisop.Sixpence - October 25, 2011 at 22:37 Reply

      @RL66 - Golly Gee whiz, those with the sparking powder in them are way powerful. Be careful, with great power come great responsibility. ツ

  1. Simple Wunderlich - October 28, 2011 at 21:07 Reply

    It is an easy calculation for me: The amount I'm ready to pay for the product if I had to buy it in the future, that's the minimal amount to invest. (If I add to that the monetary value I assign to the time in which I have enjoyed the viewer in the past and my sympathy for the kind-hearted and hardworking crew with KL it reaches a sum wich far exceeds my financial reserves ;-)) If you want KL back, invest, to give him some rl financial backing to do his work to make the viewer for everybody free to use again (and I'm sure it will be even better than before). If not, get used to another viewer - or write your own. These are the options here. Easy choice for me ...

  1. SteveMarlette aka - October 29, 2011 at 17:54 Reply

    Im a little upset that I had the viewer on my previous computer and now I cant get it for this one. Really would like the older /latest version back so I can enjoy it again.

    • Steffi Honi - November 11, 2011 at 20:16 Reply

      "How lybra wrote the most of code is by Linden Lab."

      Maybe you can retrieve it from a backup disk?
      Or maybe you could ask another KV user if they have a backup?
      I would post mine to Dropbox, but.. I'm a Linux user, which is not much help to most other users.
      Or maybe, better yet, you could drop a few bucks on Kirsten Lee and get the project going again?
      Just trying to help.

  1. Sammmmy - October 30, 2011 at 10:53 Reply

    Where can i donate inworld

  1. bellahyae - October 30, 2011 at 14:54 Reply

    i understand where your coming from. for years you did this for free, creating this viewer. but now your at the point that you just cannot afford to work on it anymore for free. so you need funding so you and your family can at least live while you work on this too. sounds like the best of both worlds for everyone doesnt it? hold your ground sir, it's only fair that you be able to live while creating something that adds to the community. i dont have much but i'll see if i can help a little if i can. good luck on doing this. i'm rooting for the success of this aswell

  1. Harvey - October 31, 2011 at 13:32 Reply

    What about your commitments to developing a viewer for Avination ? Are they not paying you for your time?

    Avination has no plans to deprecate/disable the current 0.1 viewer, and additionally we will release an Avination 2.0 viewer created by Kirstenlee Cinquetti as well. Anyone who doesn't feel comfortable running Avination 0.2 can either continue running 0.1, use another TPV or run Avination 2.0.

    • Angel - October 31, 2011 at 19:49 Reply

      It would help if your link actually worked, although maybe I am wrong but what has this got to do with the current viewer for SL?

      From how you have written this you are basically saying that if KL is getting paid for making someone else a viewer then KL should not ask for funding for this viewer?

      Sorry but I am going to repeat myself and say that if you don't wish to fund the DEVELOPMENT of this viewer then you don't have to, and you still get to use it.

      Personally I think that after the number of years that everyone has used this viewer with all the development of keeping it as a bleeding edge viewer then they should cease complaining about KL trying to get the viewer development funded.

      Again you are not forced or required to pay any money to use the viewer, and it just goes to show your selfish attitude when you are posting links to other viewers and going on about them getting paid for it.

      So in closing I would just like to say that if you cannot support someone for trying to make a living and improving a viewer that you have used for free for a number of year and somehow feel slighted by the fact that you've been asked to help then simply use another viewer.

      I have my suspicions that the people who are complaining will still use the viewer regardless.

      Anyway, not trying ot start any flame wars merely disliking the fact that people seem to begrudge KL anything

  1. JoJaDhara - November 01, 2011 at 12:46 Reply

    On the comment of Harvey: there is no company hiring but hopefully if Kirsten can continue to develop hopefully more viewers can be made pacific for other worlds. But all is needed to headstart and continue developing first. let me point out the following from Hamlet Au: keep talking keep brainstorming and most important lets get this viewer back on track!!

  1. basil - November 02, 2011 at 23:46 Reply

    Dear Lee, I have read with lot of interests about this funding for continuing Kirstens Viewer development. This operation is very interesting and I would be appellead to still give you some money. Unlucky you engaged yourself to give me a custom working viewer for my company within 31st August 2011 and I am still waiting for it. I wonder: if you have handed a company a lemon, having signed an agreement, what are you doing with this community which has faith in you without an agreement? You have not delivered to me yet the 50% of the work, even if you has already been well paid for the whole work and strangely we are not able to communicate in anyway and anymore with you (neither in Skype, neither in your email, neither with your old account in sl). So we have paid, we are still waiting for our viewer, you disapperead and we find you in this website, asking for money to develop the same work we asked you for... that is irritating, also because we have shared with you a new viewer project.

    • Angel - November 03, 2011 at 11:40 Reply

      Not wishing to be rude, but there have been plenty of forum posts regarding KL and Dawny's current situation.

      Also if indeed you have all the contracts and things for a new viewer that was to be created by KL (which seems strange because this viewer has been running for a good while so why would a new one be needed). Why have you waited nearly two months and why are you indeed using a public forum to voice your concerns?

      You also state "if you had already been paid" well surely you know if your company has paid KL anything or not?

      As for you inability to contact KL, as you can see from Dawny's post that would explain why. As noted previously Real Life has been rather hard so at this time I am pretty sure that you are not the only one who has been unable to contact them.

      I would also like to state that this community has faith in KL because of the amount of work KL has put into the viewer we all use for free and if the funding for development happens will continue to use for free.

      So by the writings on your post your company has yet to pay KL any money, therefore your company hasn't lost anything and to be honest as has been said before KL has worked for years for free, with people donating if they wished.

      So I would suggest that if your doing business with KL then conduct your business in private instead of using a public forum to whine because you yourself have failed to realize the significant changes in KL's RL situation.

      • basil - November 03, 2011 at 19:40 Reply

        Dear Angel, I don't want to be rude, but you have not understood anything and even if i have not anything to explain to you, i will try to be cleaner. Lee signed an agreement with my company in June and he had to realize (under payment) a custom viewer. The deliver date was 31st August. At September he ended the 50% of his work but seen all his problems I have decided to pay all the agreed sum and I did not put pressure on him for the deliver delay. I was forced to look him here because a friend from avination told me that here a funding was started, hoping to get a contact with him seen that he was more than one month that I had not heard anything from him. Now i wish lot of success to this initiative, but i would like that the taken agreements are respected. I pray you Angel, I have not will to continue this discussion, I wanted to have only a contact with lee again.

  1. stigmata - November 02, 2011 at 23:52 Reply

    £25,000 to develop a TPV????
    LOL ! lets see now thats about $40,000 USD.
    hahahahahaha thats not a bad living if you can do it.
    Keep up the good work sir, you have restored my faith
    in the human race, no end. LOL If you can pull this off
    it will be the heist of the century !

    • Angel - November 03, 2011 at 11:46 Reply

      Interesting that posted in the wrong part the above was a response to Basil.

      @stigmata - I find your comment funny, sad and a waste of time. I am beginning to wonder if a lot of the people who seem to think they are being conned, duped, or ripped off actually have any concept of what is actually being attempted here.

      After all, and maybe this is the difficult part, you don't have to pay anything unless you want to, you still get to use the viewer so it's a win win.

      If you are that outraged, upset, and generally not liking the fact that KL is trying to get funding to develop this viewer then no-one forces you to, and again stigmata a heist would involve KL stealing the money that has been donated and this would mean that after the 60 days are up KL doesn't refund any monies given.

      So again I would simply ask that if you have nothing to give but negative comments and the way that somehow KL is trying to screw you over personally then please don't post.

      At this time as per Dawny's post below chances are KL can't even see what your posting and I would hope that somewhere along the line the KL Viewer community will be all supportive and we can reach the target so we can get the best viewer back.....oh and yes.....IT WILL STILL BE FREE!

      • stigmata - November 04, 2011 at 1:57 Reply

        No, actually I am fully aware of the situation. they are trying to get people to donate £25000 so that kirsten can develop the viewer. I am totally aware that the viewer will be free to users and that the donations are so that kirsten can enjoy the benifits of sitting around the house deciding which bits of the viewer to do next. My point was that its great work if you can get it. Good luck to you I would love to pay £2000 so a picture i designed can be shown to 1000's of people but unfortunately I dont have the money to spend on that. I think I will just hang up a framed photo of my ass on my sim.
        Any idea where I can get the source code for Kirstens please or has this been discontinued?

  1. Dawny - November 03, 2011 at 11:12 Reply

    Anyone who is trying to contact us please bare in mind we are homeless and i am the only one with internet on my mobile! It is taking longer then we hoped to get a house in the UK but we did manage to get one. On the 11th we get the keys and then we need to get internet sorted. From the moment we have internets we are as normal back online and pursue with our projects!

    • Angel - November 03, 2011 at 11:48 Reply

      Hi Dawny

      I wish you every success with your new home and come back to us soon. I hope you are feeling better and will recover soon.

      I wish you both luck and a good future, looking forward to your return.

      Take care both of you and P.S. don't get BT Internet

    • Cisop.Sixpence - November 04, 2011 at 2:43 Reply

      Good to hear from you Dawny! I know moving can be a pain. I lost my home back in 2008 due to the financial problems going on in the world. I'll keep spreading the word to fund Kirsten's Viewer. You two take care of your selves. Look forward to hearing from you again soon.

  1. JoJa Dhara - November 03, 2011 at 21:29 Reply

    O Dawny that is great to read!! Indeed hope soon you both are settled and can pick up everything again! regards JoJa

  1. Junky Clip - November 04, 2011 at 10:16 Reply

    Best viewer. Sad to see you guys are on hard times. Would fund if I had the money to spare but I can't even find a job right now in this economy.

    With that out of the way, I think you guys are going to have trouble reaching your goal in ONLY 60 days. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and there will be a panic and a surge in donations toward the end , but it's already 1/4th through the deadline and you are only 16% there. I'll be rooting for you guys the whole way through, and if I suddenly hit the lottery theres a big check with your name on it, but I just hope you won't come up short because of the time constraints :(

  1. - November 08, 2011 at 1:19 Reply

    When we hit 50% I will double my donation and I challenge all that can to do the same. Please make this happen.

  1. Danielle Peach - November 08, 2011 at 13:18 Reply

    omg 39 days. You can do it!

  1. Tony Stark - November 10, 2011 at 13:10 Reply

    Ok dude, you need (or just want cash, we can't be sure) adding features to a code released FREE by LL. Okay, you add some nice features, people may love your work (as I did), and some could think about giving donations. The point is: what a coincidence, all started when the meshes have been released, plus, what a coincidence, you removed the old downloads, but the website is still here? What is the cost of maintainance or just keeping the download links? Mistery! Plus, In the case you reach 99% of the donations, you will not continue to develop, right (but you'll get the cash in your pocket)? Or, in the case you will continue to develop, and next time you will ask donations again? I'm not a Kisterns Viewer's fan anymore. I found the Exodus viewer and is a very good alternative (with temp textures and crosshair names too!). Smart guy, but a not so smart move in my opinion. Sometimes it's better 'Not to be' ;)
    Good luck!

    • - November 10, 2011 at 16:14 Reply

      Just to get the facts right: the beauty with Crowdfunder is that if the goal is not reached the funds are payed back automatically.

      • QuestionOfTrust - November 20, 2011 at 22:54 Reply

        Unless the crowdfunder progress bar is just a decoy.

      • Das Machine - November 21, 2011 at 0:35 Reply
        Please could you explain how "technically" can be done "automatically" a pay back?

        • Cisop.Sixpence - November 21, 2011 at 1:00 Reply

          Das Machine, If the funding goal is not reached, the funds are returned to Funder's account. Here is the FAQ on that question at Crowdfunder:

          • Das Machine - December 03, 2011 at 21:30 Reply

            Thank you. I'm curious to see what will happen at last minute ;)

            • Cisop.Sixpence - December 05, 2011 at 21:58 Reply

              Well if you know of any Millionaires that wouldn't notice such a small amount being absent from their pockets, clue them in to this project. I don't have the 75% that is still needed and we only have about 12 days left as of this writing. I'm hopeful, but that is all I have to go on for now. Last minute call to Bill Gates maybe?

    • Angel - November 10, 2011 at 16:20 Reply

      Ok a couple of major flaws in your thinking again reading previous blog posts has seemingly bypassed you.

      1) It was RL that forced KL to stop developing the viewer - also being homeless obviously hasn't helped either (this was noted in a big post named "Sad Farewell"

      2) The downloads were removed because the viewer was discontinued and with all the new stuff coming from LL wouldn't have worked properly, which again would have caused people to complain.

      3) KL has always relied upon donations to do this, this is just a different way of doing it. It's basically asking for donations up front instead of afterward.

      4) Again donations have always been asked for so how will KL be asking "again"?

      5) If you actually read it, if the donations do NOT reach the required amount then everyone is refunded, so no KL will not be as you say keeping the cash.

      It seems to me that for some reason KL asking for donations to develop a viewer has somehow turned KL from being great to be a money grabbing thief. However no-one complained before when the viewer was being developed for nothing except requests for donations. No-one had an issue with using it all for free while KL (and team) did the work.

      Funny how all that changes when KL organizes a way to collect donations up front, suddenly all they are after is a quick buck. Regardless of what was being released at the time the viewer was discontinued I would defy anyone to say they would put a viewer above the health of a real life loved one.

      Perhaps the message is not sinking in so I shall repeat it - NO-ONE HAS to pay to use the viewer. NO-ON HAS to fork out any money whatsoever to use this viewer. KL is simply asking members of the community to give if they can, if you can't, don't want to, happen to suddenly think KL is a thief then hey don't give any money, you can still use the viewer or not, that is totally your choice.

      I am sure that I am not making myself popular with some people but I fail to see how asking people to contribute is somehow stealing their money, especially when there is no forced reason to do so.

      So as I think i've said before if you can and want to contribute to bring this viewer back WOOHOO great go go go, and thank you to all the people who have so far contributed

      To those small few who somehow feel duped, sideswiped or think that KL has come up with a good scam, instead of wasting time commenting on it, simply don't use the viewer if it comes back, find another and be on your way.

      Also I am NOT personal friends, or associated with KL and her team in the slightest I just think that this viewer was one of the best and would love to see it return. I also think that KL deserves it, but that is my opinion.

      Forgive the wall of text but it is rather awful that people who have used this for free for years, suddenly get their noses bent out of shape cause someone dares to try and make a bit of money out of it. After all, if it was that easy to do you'd all be making your own viewers.

    • Cisop.Sixpence - November 10, 2011 at 22:16 Reply

      @Tony Stark (and anyone else who is confused about this)

      I should add to what others have contributed, that Kirsten ended the project with a heavy heart for personal reasons. Family comes first as it should. It was because users of the viewer suggested that Kirsten try to do a kickstart type of funding for the project that we are given this opportunity to keep the project alive.

      I too am not close with KL, or a member of her team and I am not KL in Alt form as one person suggested. However, I do consider KL a friend and I certainly think that the dedicated time KL is offering in exchange for funding is worth the price. As long as we are still using a monetary based system, I think KL should be compensated for the work done. I've previously donated in SL to Kirsten. This funding however is different, in that if the goal isn't reached, we get our money back.

      Support if you want to see it continue. If you want to bitch about it, I invite you to go elsewhere. We don't need some one spreading misinformation.

      • Junky Clip - November 11, 2011 at 2:03 Reply

        My problem here is that the rate at which the donations are coming in is too slow to make the target, there are too many people who want to donate but can't, and a lack of information on what will happen if the target isn't reached. Personally, I wish it wasn't an all or nothing approach... enough of the people who already donated probably wouldn't have cared if they got their money back in the first place, and I'm very scared on the future of the viewer if this crowdfunder thing doesn't pan out

    • Mondy - November 11, 2011 at 9:51 Reply

      @Tony The strange thing is, Exodus devlopment has ceased because the author needs a new graphics card. Now I'm not saying it's a ruse to get donations Tony, but by your reasoning, anyone who ask for donations is ripping people off. I'm sure he's genuine just as KL is genuine.

      Don't you see the fail in what you've said ?

      KL and Dawny - hope the move goes smoothly :)

      • Tony Stark - November 20, 2011 at 23:03 Reply

        Exodus it's only suspended, plus the last releases are fully working and usable for everyday. Ayamo is asking help without talking about thousand of dollars to cover Real Life's dramas, if those issues are real, obviously. Surely a graphic card burnt sounds more genuine.

    • Steffi Honi - November 11, 2011 at 20:23 Reply

      "Exodus is a combat viewer"

      "Without Second Life, development on Exodus Viewer is going to be put on hold till I can afford a new one. It just isn’t possible to continue development without a replacement graphics card at this point.

      Is anyone out there kind enough to help me out? "

      Why would anyone fall for this ploy? ;)

      • Tony Stark - November 20, 2011 at 23:10 Reply

        Exodus it's only suspended, plus the last releases are fully working and usable for everyday. I don't combat, it just has more features than KV, as you could use KV without being a photograpehr or a machinima artist. Ayamo is asking help without talking about thousand of dollars to solve Real Life's dramas, if those issues are real, obviously, and why that amount, calculated on 'that' time period? Sounds ridiculous to me. Surely a graphic card burnt sounds more genuine. I can't remember a decent build for all day use of Kirsten Viewer since 2.7a

        • Angel - November 21, 2011 at 11:32 Reply


          To be honest since I don't want to start a flame war, I will not put any of my original comments since it seems very clear that you have a chip on your shoulder, and are unable to appreciate something you have used for free.

          It is painfully clear that no matter how it is explained you fail to grasp the meaning of "donations" or "contributing".

          Since as you have stated you are using another viewer now I would kindly ask that you go use it and remove yourself from here so that people who actually like this viewer and support the community, KL, Dawny and the team can try and help and bring the viewer back.

          @moderators - If this post is to much drama please delete it. I have no intention of doing that I am just getting a little annoyed with small minded selfish people who begrudge others anything while using something for free that they themselves could not actually do.

          • Tony Stark - December 03, 2011 at 21:23 Reply

            'To be honest since I don't want to start a flame war'
            Giving a comparison with another TPV can start a flame war? O_O
            '...and are unable to appreciate something you have used for free.'
            SL IS A FREE VIEWER. We are also in a free world to express opinions.
            There are people 'too kind' and people 'too smart'. This is my 'chip on the shoulder'.

            '@moderators - If this post is to much drama please delete it.' Funny thing is I'm the only one here who is not supporting dramas. It's a PUBLIC forum. Your donation doesn't turn your posts in pearls to be safeguarded and doesn't give you more rights than me to post my opinion.

  1. Dawny - November 16, 2011 at 11:05 Reply

    We moved into the house and have ordered internet but that will take some time. They cant do it any sooner then 7 December and then we have to wait for the internet to get switched on :( As soon we are normal on-line i update here! Hugs to all and thanks for the support!

    • Angel - November 21, 2011 at 11:34 Reply

      Happy to hear you have moved into your new home and it sounds like your ISP is nice and speedy.

      Please take care and I hope I can speak for most of the community and wish you well, get well soon and any negative posts should be ignored as I'm pretty sure that most of the KL viewer uses would love to have it back.

      • Angel - November 21, 2011 at 11:36 Reply

        I don't know if it's possible but maybe you could extend the donations crowd funder date, so that you will be around and spread the word?

        Or maybe put up a vote to see if the general community want or would be happy for it to be extended?

        I only say this because I wonder how many viewer users stopped looking at this site once they found out the viewer would be discontinued. :)

  1. Magnus Brody - November 19, 2011 at 18:56 Reply

    Wish I could have given more, but with an impending house move to central London, I'm just a little skint right now!

  1. Yrla - December 03, 2011 at 1:02 Reply

    I haven't been able to get KV running in Linux for the past versions, a call for support merely consisted out of: "you have to install this and that", when "this and that" was installed. I doubt this proposal will help anything in getting a Linux version that works...

  1. Meryl Stripe - December 03, 2011 at 20:42 Reply

    Is the crowdrefund's progress bar a static image? Lmao

    • Cisop.Sixpence - December 05, 2011 at 15:20 Reply

      @Meryl Stripe

      If you want to test if it is a static image, you may donate. ;) BTW, every time I've donated, it changed so to answer your question, it is not static, but dynamic.

  1. ShelbyLove Clarity - December 05, 2011 at 21:55 Reply

    I have read all the commentaries up to this date! I see the funding is minumially reached! I have no funds I am willing to contribute at this time due to my RL responibilities! This is, however, the very best viewer!!! I wait to see what happens! This just may be another loss we all have to accept! Unless someone with lots of money comes forward and donates generously to KV! Who will save us?

  1. Dawny - December 09, 2011 at 23:24 Reply

    We still don't have internet :( Had word of my provider that it can take up to 8 days now. As a constellation they might give us discount for the first month because we are waiting for 5 weeks now!!

    • Cisop.Sixpence - December 10, 2011 at 22:38 Reply

      I think they should give you a month (or five weeks) free. They sure are not giving you a good first impression. :(

  1. Diane - December 11, 2011 at 20:19 Reply

    I have to wonder at the people who keep insisting SL is free and that no one who does anything to enhance it in any way should be paid for their time. Not everyone working at LL is a volunteer, lol. And how long do YOU think SL would be around if not a penny over the technical operating expenses came in and everyone had to do their work for free?
    SL may be free for the masses to use, but only because enough money comes in to keep it running and to PAY people to do the work needed. LL is a business, and if SL wasn't making enough money on some level to keep the business going, no one would bother and it would cease to exist. Time is money in every reality -no Utopia exists that I know of, and if you haven't got the money to free up enough time to do something, then you can't do it. It's very simple really, and if the people calling for blood would step up to the plate and offer all their time and skills (if they HAVE any) for free, wow what amazing and altruistic things could be accomplished in this world and in the REAL world too! Grab that code and whip it into shape! We all can't wait to see what you come up with ; ) maybe do some volunteer work in your local community too, since you exist in that world as well...
    By the way I actually WORK in SL to pay the rent on my SL home, because it costs the person who owns the Island I live on, MONEY, that they have to PAY to LL. Having a HOME in SL enhances my experience, so I am WILLING to PAY for it. IF I had the extra money at the moment Lee, I'd have no problem donating it to your project. Kirstens was a good viewer. Best of luck to ya!

  1. Asil - December 19, 2011 at 2:37 Reply

    I just received an email from Crowdfunder advising, "The Pitch, "The Kirsten's Viewer Project", that you have invested in has been cancelled or has expired." ... Oh Kirsten, is this the end?

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